I like "Wither" in that I think for DT, writing a long like that is more of a challenge than writing "A Nightmare To Remember" at this
point.
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Posts: 4155 (06/26/09 04:32:19) I Am The Eggman |
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Posts: 2343 (06/26/09 09:17:06) Yes Man |
Yeah, it isn't a bad song just maybe should have been placed on a bonus disc. Possibly it could have been the song placement on the disc. I'm sure many
people will really like it and don't judge it by what I think.
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Posts: 1714 (06/26/09 12:38:29) Myung At Heart |
There's nothing wrong with Wither. It's a simple song, but it works well for what it's supposed to be.
For me the weak point of this album is A Rite of Passage. I haven't been a big fan of DT's attempts to write metal singles post-PMU and this one strikes me as particularly forced and uninspired. But the rest of the CD is really good, especially the three heavy and proggy longer tracks.
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Posts: 90 (06/30/09 07:27:51) |
Finally got it...and on first listening i'm considerably underwhelmed
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box of "long forgotten CD'S". It's just the "same old, same old" but i reckon i should have known. And the one track i was looking
forward to, the cover of Stargazer, absolutely sucks..not a patch of the original ! The other covers aren't too bad though, although i might think that
because i haven't heard all the originals.
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Posts: 1992 (06/30/09 18:02:54) Prog's Best Friend |
I like Dream Theater's version of Stargazer, but the orignial is better. James is a very good singer, but Ronnie James Dio is one of the best metal singers
ever.
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Posts: 478 (07/01/09 05:16:29) Rolling Thunder Down Under |
"I wish I could travel to the store, buy a Ronnie James Dio, and install it in my throat" - Paul Gilbert
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Posts: 4395 (07/01/09 06:32:38) The Lurker |
UhurasPubicHair wrote:Errr...you have listened to The Count of Tuscany, right? I have not heard anything like this from Dream Theater, ever. That song is categorically NOT the "same old" from Dream Theater. |
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Posts: 93 (07/01/09 13:21:23) |
errrr...well i have only listened to it once..my problem is i've been listening to a lot of old vinyls from the 70's recently and it makes a lot of new
stuff sound positively average
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Posts: 196 (07/01/09 13:34:16) |
Best album they've done since SFAM IMO. The Count Of Tuscany and Wither have climbed to become two of my all time favorite DT songs and I really like all
the rest (though I find ARoP to be quite derivative of their past "metal" "singles"). My one beef with the album is the production. I
HATE this production that they've been using since 6DOIT...every album sonically sounds the same (overcompressed guitars/drums, no space in the mix). I
really wish they'd pull the guitar back, make the drums sound HUGE (like Alan White on the Talk album or Lars on the Black Album), and give everything a
little more room/reverb/ambience in the mix.
Other than that, BC&SL exceeded my expectations and blows away their last 3 albums. |
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Posts: 252 (07/02/09 21:27:05) |
I absolutely love The Count of Tuscany. 20 minutes of prog bliss IMO. The other stuff is good too, though I could do without Wither. Weird cause I know I
should like Wither.... Maybe it will grow on me in time.
Love the cover tunes. Especially the Zebra cover, Take Your Fingers From My Hair. I wonder how many here have ever heard Zebra? Also love the Lark's Tongues and To Tame Land covers too. DT doing Iron Maiden just feels right. Did I mention how ****ing awesome The Count of Tuscany is? Haven't listened to the instrumental mixes disc yet. |
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Posts: 4240 (07/03/09 05:35:19) Guy With No Opinion |
The album entered the German Top50 today - on #3!
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Posts: 57 (07/03/09 13:57:00) |
Very impressed with this album. Early days, but I like The Count of Tuscany very much. Symphonic prog epic with a nice structure, great tunes, changes of mood
and some heaviness. Less laboured than Octavarium (the track), but in a similar prog vein. Best of Times is rather moving, really. I like that. Least gripping
initially for me is Shattered Fortress. Rite of Passage is so-so.
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Posts: 1994 (07/03/09 14:13:54) Prog's Best Friend |
Yes The Count Of Tuscany is a lot better than the song Octavarium.
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Posts: 95 (07/03/09 15:07:49) |
Ok it's growing on me but i still prefer Octavarium. The CD2 covers are the best part for me and think i was a bit premature with hating Stargazer but i
still think Labrie murders it
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Posts: 4397 (07/06/09 08:37:34) The Lurker |
Now that I've lived with the album for awhile, I will say that Wither is my favorite DT ballad. I would say that it is their most emotional ballad ever,
but Cage would get all semantic on me, so I will instead say that it hits ME emotionally more than any other DT ballad.
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Posts: 1010 (07/09/09 03:56:06) Cheeto Bandeeto |
I like it more now:
"But I feel I'm getting nowhere And I'll never reach the end..." Is very nice. Great album. Dig it much. |
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Posts: 3463 (07/10/09 04:35:14) Chop Gooey |
Been listening to it for a few days now. Overall I have to say that I rather like it, certainly much more than the last few they put out. Musically it's
the best work they've done in a long time. It's nice to see them try some different things, especially with Rudess and the subtle parts he's added
in the background to compliment the arrangements.
That being said, I'm still hung up on the same old complaints I've had about DT for a very long time: the lyrics are shit, LaBrie's voice isn't working for me, and the solos are just meandering wank fests. Yes, I get the appeal, and I understand why they are probably doing it and all that, but ten albums and 20 years into it (yes, I've been a fan that long, since I heard the WDaDU demos from friends at Berklee when I visited there, so you can all kiss my ass) it's time for a different approach. The solos on IaW were both inspired and inspiring. Nowadays they are just "wow, that's fast!" and not much else. Granted, there were one or two things that I thought were cool and had never been done on CD by John before, but that's about it. The attempted cookie monster vocals and the really deep spoken word stuff absolutely has to go. It's completely dumb and adds nothing of value to the song. "And everyone survived, huah!" is perhaps the funniest dumbfuck moment in metal history. But, I guess that goes hand in hand with the fact that their lyrics are horrible and amateurish. But I will say that I really liked the lyrics to "Wither." I thought JP did a very nice job on that one. I also have to agree with Andrew about the production. Very heavily compressed and no separation at all. It does make it a bit tiring on the ears after a while. Lastly, I thought there were just a few too many regurgitations of themes and riffs from previous CDs. One or two at the most is cool, but there were just a few too many for my taste. Going to listen to it some more, but I'm not sure this is going to stay in my rotation for an extended period. |
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Posts: 145 (07/10/09 05:11:20) |
My favourite part is where I've setup an IPod playlist to do the entire recovery suite like it's an album.
That's probably collectively the coolest thing DT has done since Scenes. |
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Posts: 4161 (07/10/09 19:47:40) I Am The Eggman |
kagejs wrote: Yeah, but that's every album now. It's quite sad. You might be interested in this: http://www.justiceforaudio.org/2009/05/dream-theater-systematic-chaos-remastered-dr11-unofficial/ |
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Posts: 480 (07/10/09 23:56:57) Rolling Thunder Down Under |
This album really has it's teeth into me now. I can't stop listening to it. The last 2 tracks are awesome proggy goodness that is are as good as
anything they've done before. I have found myself creating a 12 steps play list too. I can't wait to see them play it live, it will be amazing.
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