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Livingstill.nealmorse |
Uganda's anti-homosexual bill |
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UhurasPubicHair |
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It does say the bill is against the "promotion of homosexuality". While i don't think it should be illegal, i've never understood why gay
people have to promote their lifestyle. I've never seen straight people handing out leaflets and marching down the streets in a heterosexual carnival !
Same with black-only groups, if people set up white-only groups they're classed as racist and yet the black-only group isn't ?!? If people stopped
marginalising themselves, the world might be a better place.
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Brians Split Personality |
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UhurasPubicHair wrote: Really, you've never seen the million man marches or the civil rights marches in the 1960s? "Gay" people promote their lifestyle to raise awareness and fight for equal rights and protections under the law. Not difficult to understand. |
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UhurasPubicHair |
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You totally miss my point, the silent majority become more racist/sexist/whatever-ist when minorities start playing the victim card and get preferential
treatment from govts running scared of the human rights act. I'm speaking as a brit who's seeing an ultra right-wing party in Britain getting more and
more support because of the seemingly preferential treatment of immigrants coming into this country which gets the backs up of the native silent majority. Ok i
went off on a bit of a tangent but all i'm saying is, give minority groups too much, too soon ( eg equal rights ) and all you'll do is turn more people
against them.
And as it happens, i don't think gay couples should get totally equal rights, i'm against gay couples adopting children for instance. And i'm sure i'll be shot down in flames by all you politically correct lot out there |
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smga3000 |
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I get the point you are making, for example a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader went to Halloween as rapper Lil Wayne http://www.cbsnews.com/bl...sider/entry5494649.shtml and now she is being vilified
for 'black face'. You can disparage a white man in the most demeaning possible way and it will always be ok because we somehow deserve it, but heaven
forbid you have an opinion contrary to the PC police. I mean, I could care less if you are gay, black or an orion slave girl, what I take exception at is
coming up in my face and screaming "I'M xxxxx ACCEPT IT", well I didn't really care till you got in my face, but now you've pissed me
off, and I'm sure 99% of people would react the same way.
I did an experiment earlier and searched images.google.com for civil rights marches, million man marches, million woman marches and gay pride parades. I'm not going to post it here because I'd be accused of something or other, but just try it out and see what images you get and then maybe you understand the push back. It's ok to have gay bondage demonstrations on the street in Folsom during their parade, but OMG, the Tea Party people very respectfully demonstrate and even clean up their own trash so the city is cleaner than when they got there, and you get all sorts of disparaging remarks like "teabaggers", "radicals", "domestic terrorists". and now, just like you, after keeping my mouth shut publicly on topics like this for well over a year now, will probably get vilified just like last time for daring to have an opinion. I never did read the Uganda thing, I think Africa has a hell of a lot more problems than this topic, like genocide, famine, aids, etc. |
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DoctorJ |
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"the Tea Party people very respectfully demonstrate and even clean up their own trash so the city is cleaner than when they got there, and you get all
sorts of disparaging remarks like "teabaggers", "radicals", "domestic terrorists". "
Lol!!! Hey Shawn - seen the videos of these respectful teabaggers talking about "the only good liberal is a dead liberal - and lets start with Pelosi" etc etc. And the dudes who show up to anti Obama rallies with semi auto weapons. Been watching beck and listening to limbaugh the past year? Been hearing the talk of looking for a great "white" hope. What a joke acting like you've been so persecuted. Sorry to hear you've been cowering in fear because you've been worried about being vilified as a terrorist. OMG is right. Glad you're able to come out of the closet finally - must have been stuffy in there eh? |
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David Coulson Adams |
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Well, that didn't take long!
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DoctorJ |
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(tired of only talking about the NFL). |
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Livingstill.nealmorse |
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I agree with the stronger posts above except that:
It's not only about promotion, this bill imprisons gays, and it would imprison you if you didn't turn a gay in to the authorities. I'm sure you guys are all against that! |
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UhurasPubicHair |
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Livingstill.nealmorse, totally agree with you. I didn't mean promotion as in marching for equal rights etc etc, i meant the kind of promotion as in some
homosexuals who shout from the rooftops " look at me, i'm gay and proud of it! " I'm straight and don't go around shouting " i'm
hetero and proud of it ! "
And i also understand where smga3000 is coming from. I don't know what it's like in America but over here in Limey Britland you can't even fly the English flag in case it upsets the muslims. I wouldn't mind but i hate the hypocrisy of people, large minority groups persecute smaller minority groups who in turn persecute even smaller minority groups. Everyone is guilty of it and yet we moan about it when it's done to us. |
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smga3000 |
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DoctorJ, just look at what you wrote, first you use teabaggers, which was coined by in the closet Anderson Cooper, and is a disgusting insult to people against
taxes (yes, you take a few hundred thousand people, you're gonna have a few that have some hateful signs, which of course you and the main stream media
focus on instead of the majority), then you make a bunch of disparaging comments about me personally because I dared to have an opinion, this is the exact
point I'm making. In your world, free speech is only allowed if I agree with you.
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kagejs |
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I don't think Doc's answer has anything to do with the fact that you're straight (which actually was your argument), just that he doesn't agree
with you. Any group of people who protest publicly, whether they are loud and obnoxious or they are quiet, respectful, and clean up their trash afterward, are
all "screaming" their agenda. Perhaps not as a literal vocalization in terms of volume, but it's all the same. Just because the teabaggers
don't wear leather chaps in public doesn't mean they are trying to attract any less attention.
Second, the fact that you went out of your way to describe Anderson Cooper as "closet Anderson Cooper" is the EXACT reason why gay people and black people feel the need to be so vocal about the perceived discrimination against them. It's the same as when someone says "this huge black guy in a bar...". Why do you have to throw in "closet" or why does someone have to throw in "black?" Is that descriptor so integral to your story that you absolutely had to include it or the message would have been lost? You could just have easily have said "Anderson Cooper" and left it at that; everyone would have gotten your meaning. Going out of your way to add "closet" in your post gives off the perception of your homophobia and that's where the kneejerk reaction occurs. Perhaps you are not homophobic (I have no idea), but saying things like "closet Anderson Cooper" is one of the fundamental reasons why we have these problems to begin with. Should we say "pill-popping Rush Limbaugh" or "coke-snorting President Bush" or "money-grubbing record label owner" every time we talk about them? I find it very interesting that you find the word "teabaggers" to be "a disgusting insult to people against taxes" and yet you have no problem calling AC "closet Anderson Cooper" and think that's a perfectly acceptable thing to say. Can you honestly not see the hypocritical logic that causes these problems? Amazing that after all this time in our history you guys still haven't figured it out yet. It's always just going to keep being you against them unless you just stop it. Group A can't use the word teabaggers, but Group B is allowed to call people closeted homosexuals and it's perfectly fine. How about you ALL STOP SAYING THIS KIND OF CRAP and perhaps the problem will start to go away. Better yet, why don't you stop judging people based on your narrow-minded view of the universe and what you think is correct, and allow people to be happy and live their lives as they wish. Someone being gay doesn't affect you, and they should be able to say so publicly, just like a Christian should be allowed to wear a cross and say "God Bless You" when you hold a door open for them. Should a gay person get all offended when that happens? Homosexuals aren't going away, no matter how much you want them to. Black people, until they are all treated as equally as whites, are going to continue to speak up (as they should). Until you can say "Anderson Cooper" and others can say "this huge guy in a bar" without feeling the need to include closeted and black, we won't get anywhere. (And I know the "black guy in a bar" is my reference and not Shawn's, so let's not miss the point. I know Shawn never said that, but the example holds true.) The reason why black and gay groups are so vocal about their opinions and what they want is because they don't feel that they have enough representation for their rights, and because there is still a huge group of people - some of which are obviously on this board - that still have an issue with it. They have tried to do it quietly, but change isn't happening fast enough. It's the same damn reason as why we claimed independence from Britain violently back in 1776. Don't see any of you guys having an issue with that one. Do any of you have an problem with Yankees fans shouting from the rooftops, "I love the Yankees!"? I suspect you probably don't, but I don't see any backlash about World Series parades or the huge slew of Yankees shirts and hats being worn around the world. The reason why you see a backlash when you promote being white and straight is because you are the majority. You have representation, you are in control, and you're not being oppressed. Others don't feel the same way as you and so they want their voices to be heard. Get over it. Better yet, do a little bit of traveling and discover that you aren't the center of the universe. |
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smga3000 wrote:Two things to say: 1. Shawn, you're not being vilified for HAVING an opinion, you're vilified for THE OPINION itself. Big difference. Free speach doesn't come with a "get away with saying anything you want without repercussions" card. Say things that people don't like, great that's your right, but don't expect those others to be quiet too. 2. Josh, I love you, man! |
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robertk.nealmorse |
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Very well . . .
They can call us "TeaBaggers" all they want. We'll just have to start calling them "America-Hating, Terrorist-Loving, Traitors." Hey, I'm not against gay people . . or even gay marriage. But I am against the thought police. I'm against calling someone a bigot because they believe certain behaviors to be wrong. And the fact that someone posted an allegation on this board that someone "promoted being white" is just astonishing. |
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Brians Split Personality |
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robertk wrote:You (and the like) already do that, Robert. At least the "teabagger" label is clever and ironic. |
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UhurasPubicHair |
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Tsk, tsk, tsk..teabaggers throwing out us limey brits over a few measly taxes..i mean really !!
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UhurasPubicHair |
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Hang on a minute, i'm a bit out of the loop over here. Why is the term teabagger " a disgusting insult to people against taxes " ?
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robertk.nealmorse |
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Uhura: You're a bit elderly for such material, but if you google the sexual term "Teabagging" I'm sure you'll find out pretty quickly.
BSP: I never called liberals "traitors" or "terroris lovers" or anything like that until after the "teabagger" label started getting used. I never even insinuated such. Feel free to check any posts of mine either here or on NM if you think otherwise. |
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UhurasPubicHair |
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I just looked it up..and here's me thinking it was something to do with the Boston Tea Party
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DoctorJ |
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Whoa now folks.
My use of the term "teabaggers" was in the sense of the people who participated in the fox (faux) news inspired (generally) vitriolic and where (sometimes) violence upon elected officials is call for by said people this way - Taxed Enough Already - then baggers as in - well bag(gers). Seriously. That's what they call themselves around here at least. I don't watch Anderson Cooper - and I'm going to now google the sexual term for teabaggers - for the first time. RobertK has me curious. By the way - Josh continues to be my hero. I can't write posts like that. Thank you friend. edit - oh my.
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Brians Split Personality |
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UhurasPubicHair wrote: It does, sorta. The protesters were using tea in the usual soaking bags they are sold in rather than loose tea to protest increased taxes (a nod to the Boston Tea Party). They were using teabags during the protests. Thusly came "teabaggers", which was a really funny double entendre (sp?). |
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